Where We’re Headed
Sikivu Hutchinson & ”Conversations” w/Verdell Wright

Sikivu Hutchinson & ”Conversations” w/Verdell Wright

June 17, 2022

After 18 episodes we're wrapping our premier season covering Black history, race consciousness, religion, freethought & liberation movements. We hope you have listened, questioned, gained perspective, empathy and enlightenment about the established Legacy of Black Freethinkers, dissenters and non-religious leaders in American Civil Rights and around the globe.

Our season I concludes with the final part of our “Conversations” series featuring co-host Verdell Wright and a very special presentation from Black atheist, author, activist, scholar and director, Dr. Sikivu Hutchinson!

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(Ep. 18)   

Show Notes   

Host: Rogiérs   

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs   

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC  

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon  

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu  

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC  

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson  

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks, Overjoyed Live in Japan (1997) feat. Dennis Montgomery, III, Kevin Terry and Predestined .  

Resources & Mentions  

"Why I Stopped Pursuing Ordained Ministry", Verdell A. Wright  

"Black Millenials and Christian Faith", Verdell A. Wright  

Sikivu Hutchinson, Official Website

“Atlanta Megachurch pastor Louie Giglio sets off firestorm by calling slavery a 'blessing' to Whites”, The Washington Post (2020), Sarah Pulliam Bailey. 

“10 New findings about faith among Black Americans”, Pew Research Center (2021), Besheer Mohamed. 

“Study: Black Christians see limits to Multi-Racial Churches”, Christianity Today-Religious News Service (2021), Adele Banks. 

“R. Kelly’s trial has begun. The singer faces decades of Sex Abuse charges”, (2021), NPR Morning Edition.  

Black Nonreligious Americans: US Secular Survey (2021), American Atheists & Black Nonbelievers. 

“Why no prayers for Bishop Long’s accusers?” (2021), CNN, LZ Granderson.

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Conversations! (Black Church Culture, Islamic Persecution & Bible Studies)

Conversations! (Black Church Culture, Islamic Persecution & Bible Studies)

June 10, 2022

On this episode, we talk everything from the Bible, to the Black Church, Islamic persecution around the globe and back! Part II of our CONVERSATIONS series features the WWH co-host: the insightful, sensitive and cool Verdell Wright. It is the continuation of an on-going dialogue stemming from Episode 6 and Episode 10 ("Good God Gone" and "Conversations!" if you missed it). This time we’re deconstructing higher New Testament criticism and what that means in for a demographic where as much as 90% of faithful Christians believe in Biblical literalism.

Former Minister and ex-seminarian Verdell Wright and host Rogiérs, a former Minister of Music discuss the intense and subtle dynamics of faith and culture in-practice, and the ways in which inequities, trends and systems impact and impair healthy relationships in the Black Church, with ourselves...and each other. We also ponder what it means to “Accountable” as individuals and institutions of faith. 

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(Ep. 17)  

Show Notes  

Host: Rogiérs  

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs  

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC 

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon 

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu 

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC 

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson 

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks, Tarell “BAM” Lester, Kevin Terry and Predestined  

Resources & Mentions 

"Why I Stopped Pursuing Ordained Ministry", Verdell A. Wright 

"Black Millenials and Christian Faith", Verdell A. Wright 

Muhammad Sayed, Ex-Muslims of North America on global "Persecution Tracker" & accepting & denying truth of bruatlities in Islamic Diaspora 

"Blacks more likely than others in U.S. to read the Bible regularly, see it as God's word", Pew Research Center (2018) 

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Find the entire LEGACY catalogue of programs online at the Black Nonbelievers YouTube Channel! 

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support. 

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The Black Socrates (IV) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

The Black Socrates (IV) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

May 27, 2022

Dr. Jeffrey B. Perry brings us together with this ultimate appearance in our Legacy series on WWH. He has been active in the working class movementfor 50 years studying, writing and speaking on two of the most important thinkers on race and class in the twentieth century --Theodore W. Allen and Cruzan-American Black atheist, activist and scholar, Hubert Harrison

Called “A brilliant masterpiece” by the American Historical Review, Perry is the author of two biographies on Harrison: The Voice of Harlem Radicalism 1883-1918 and The Struggle for Equality 1918-1927 for which he nominated a Pulitzer Prize. In this episode we pick up where we left off previously. Jeffrey discusses Harrison’s his money woes and ultimate clash with the burgeoning socialist movement, differences with W.E.B, Dubois and his valid critiques of Marcus Garvey; all in ways that reverberate to this very day.  

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(Ep. 16)   

Show Notes   

Host: Rogiérs   

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs   

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC  

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu  

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC  

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson  

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks   

Resources & Mentions  

Jeffrey B. Perry, Official Website  

"Hubert Harrison: The Voice of Harlem Radicalism", Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press)   

Hubert Harrison: The Struggle for Equality. 1918-1927Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press)  

*For discount on online bookstore, use “CUP20” at checkout.  

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Additional Content:  

Find the entire LEGACY catalogue of programs online at the Black Nonbelievers YouTube Channel!  

Find Black Nonbelievers of DC online on Facebook and also on Meetup.   

Support  Black Nonbelievers follow on Twitter and find a local affiliate new you!  

Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.  

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The Black Socrates (III) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

The Black Socrates (III) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

May 20, 2022

A giant of both Afro-Caribbean and African-American history, we rejoin Jeffrey B. Perry in his second Legacy appearance covering Volume II of his autobiography and treatment of the one and only Hubert Harrison. Called “The Black Socrates” by Joel A. Rogers, Harrison practically mentored Marcus Garvey, rubbed shoulders with A. Phillip Randolph and Arturo Schomburg and wrote the book on “militant” Negro politics for generations to come.  

Harrison is a name Every Black History program should cover and that every Black freethinker should become critically aware of. But whether you know these names or not,  do stick around. We’re digging in for a rich history lesson on this auto-didactic, radical Black atheist and Pan-African, socialist thought leader. 

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(Ep. 15)  

Show Notes  

Host: Rogiérs  

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs  

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC 

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu 

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC 

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson 

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks  

Resources & Mentions 

Jeffrey B. Perry, Official Website 

"Hubert Harrison: The Voice of Harlem Radicalism", Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press)  

Hubert Harrison: The Struggle for Equality. 1918-1927, Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press) 

*For discount on online bookstore, use “CUP20” at checkout. 

Sarah Haider, Ex-Muslims of North America (on Twitter

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support. 

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The ”Black Georgians” w/S.I. Martin

The ”Black Georgians” w/S.I. Martin

May 13, 2022

Who and what were are the “Black Georgians” of the British empire? And how did their struggles of dissent shape our past and present freedom narratives? Author, historian and professor S.I. Martin, from our Legacy program introduces us to these international men and women of mystery, conviction and fortitude.  

The Black Georgians describes Black people in The Georgian era; a period in British History from 1714 to c. 1830–37, named after the Hanoverian Kings George I, II, III and IV. It was a time of immense social change in Britain, the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution class hierarchies and continual warfare. Some are well-known such as Phyllis Wheatley and Olaudah Equiano while others have been forgotten. Nonetheless, all are well regarded as extreme personalities, artists, rebels, abolitionists and even accomplices. 

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(Ep. 14) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks.

Resources & Mentions

Perfect Storm: Royals misjudged Caribbean tour, say critics" Rachel Hall & Amelia Gentelman, The Guardian

"How an Accidental Encounter brought slavery to the United States" Rick Hampson, USA Today

Slavevoyages.com*  *Figures are estimates and are rounded to the nearest 100.  

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

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Forgetfulness & ”The Momentum of Memory”

Forgetfulness & ”The Momentum of Memory”

May 6, 2022

"The Momentum of Memory" vs. "The Violence of Forgetting." Throughout history a well-documented feature of authoritarianism, totalitarian regimes, religious indoctrination and myth-making is the reshaping of collective and individual memory. As a person of African descent, deconstructing religion can yield epiphanies not only in science or theology but in the heavy political histories of ethnicity and provenance.

This episode covers the ways in which forgetfulness, memory laws/loss and short collective memories play into narratives that distort, demean, erase and discriminate. We cover the George Floyd "Year of Reckoning", Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln, 45, my former pastor and the subtle manipulative power of misinformation + forgetfulness imposed on us via religion and culture. 

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(Ep. 13) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks, Overjoyed Blue Note Japan Recordings, IMOK Gospel Music, Howard University Gospel Choir

Resources 

Sarah Frostenson, “Aftermath of Year of Reckoning”, Fiver Thirty Eight: A Politics Chat

Michele Norris, "Don’t call it a racial reckoning. The race toward equality has barely begun.", The Washington Post  

Banned Filename, Jr., “Remember fascism was a Catholic problem?”, Medium.com

Stephanie Martin, “Vladimir Putin Quotes the Bible During Pro-Russia Rally in Moscow”,   Churchleaders .com

Jess Blumberg, “A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials”, Smithsonian Magazine

Frederick Douglass, “An 1876 speech given by Frederick Douglass at the unveiling of the Freedmen’s Monument in Lincoln Park, Washington, DC.”, Digital Public Library of America, University of Illinois

CNN (Chris Wallace) Interview Nicole Hannah-Jones, Author & Professor of Journalism, Howard University

Dr. Greg Carr, Professor, Howard University School of Law &Africana Studies Department 

Music Bed(s) 

“For Your Name is to be Praised” (James Hall Worship & Praise)

“Never Shall Forget” (James Hall Worship & Praise), Howard University Gospel Choir

“Never Shall Forget”, Melvin Crispell & Testimony  

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

(c) 2022 Fibby Music Group, LLC www.FibbyMusic.net 

 

The Black Socrates (II) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

The Black Socrates (II) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

April 29, 2022

More than 100 years ago a Black skeptic/atheist/agnostic/freethinker from the Danish West Indies framed a conversation on Pan-Africanism, modeled Socialist Black political organizing, advocated for labor rights and progressive Black entertainment in a vaudeville era of American life wreathed in poverty, White Supremacy, World Wars and European Imperialism. This episode continues Dr. Jeffrey B. Perry's presentation on Hubert Harrison-a bridge between Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King, The Black Panthers, Occupy Wallstreet and BLM. 

Perry reveals all of these connections on with his account of the life of Harrison known as the "Black Socrates,” a freethinking orator, writer and contemporary in the then Harlem Renaissance. Pitifully unsung, all roads to Arturo Schomburg, A. Phillip Randolph, Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Martin Luter King, James Brown, James Baldwin, Nikki Giovanni, The Black Panthers, Sista Soulja (and so many more) therefore, lead directly through Hubert Harrison

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(Ep. 12) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks and V.Rich/"Ocean of Love" (Out Now!)

Resources & Mentions

Jeffrey B. Perry, Official Website

"Hubert Harrison: The Voice of Harlem Radicalism", Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press) *For discount on online bookstore, use “CUP20” at checkout.

David Hilliard describes Black Panther Party origins & Ideological Struggles of Class-Coalition Politics (2006)

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

(c) 2022 Fibby Music Group, LLC www.FibbyMusic.net 

 

The Black Socrates (I) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

The Black Socrates (I) w/Jeffrey B. Perry

April 22, 2022

Who is one of the greatest icons of movement history that you’ve likely never heard of? Someone who 100+ years ago conceptualized Pan-Africanism, modeled new Black political organization, labor rights advocacy, religious dissent and championed (and scrutinized) Black actors, playwrights and entertainers in ways few others would? Who literally stands as a bridge between Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King and BLM? And who both created language for subsequent Black leaders and mercilessly scrutinized icons like Booker T. Washington, W.E.B. Dubois and others in their blind spots? It is Hubert Harrison.  

The lifelong work of this intellectual Black giant -and his biographer, renowned scholar and author, Jeffrey B. Perry- reveals all of these connections on today’s episode with his account of the life of Harrison. In fact, it may be said that not only is this "Black Socrates” pitifully unsung, but all roads to Arturo Schomburg, A. Phillip Randolph, Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Martin Luter King, James Brown, James Baldwin, Nikki Giovanni, The Black Panthers, Sista Soulja (and so many more) therefore, lead directly through Hubert Harrison

This episode is Part I of Jeffrey B. Perry's interview on Harrison from the 2021 Legacy series covering his migration from the Caribbean (now USVI) to the US and his early work as a freethinking orator, writer and contemporary in the then Harlem Renaissance. 

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(Ep. 11) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks and V.Rich/"Ocean of Love" (Out Now!)

Resources & Mentions

Jeffrey B. Perry, Official Website

"Hubert Harrison: The Voice of Harlem Radicalism", Jeffrey B. Perry (Columbia University Press) *For discount on online bookstore, use “CUP20” at checkout.

Jamaican poet and LGBTQ activist Stacy Ann Chin reads the account of Bartolomé de Las Casas at Voice of a People’s History of the United States.

"The Devastation of the Indies: A Brief Account". Bartolomé de las Casas, 1542. (Penguin Classics)

"History of the Indies by Bartolome De Las Casas Explained", APUSH Simplified

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

(c) 2022 Fibby Music Group, LLC www.FibbyMusic.net 

 
 

 

Conversations!

Conversations!

April 8, 2022

Dialogue, Dialogue, Dialogue! Today’s episode is all about dialogue, reflection and conversation with the co-host and co-creator of Where We’re Headed, Mr. Verdell Wright. If you missed his compelling account of a “Good God Gone” in (Ep. 6) here’s another chance to get acquainted with Verdell and host Rogiérs as they enjoy an open dialogue and process life as a former Minister, Seminarian, Minister of Music, worship leader and SGL Black men. It’s all about the conversation! 

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(Ep. 10) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks

Resources 

Dr. Sikivu Hutchinson, “Godless Americana: Race and Religious Rebels"

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For Contact, Inquiry, Voicemail & Feedback: 

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Additional Content:

Find the entire LEGACY catalogue of programs online at the Black Nonbelievers YouTube Channel!

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

(c) 2022 Fibby Music Group, LLC www.FibbyMusic.net 

Reimagining Community w/Sabrina Dent (II)

Reimagining Community w/Sabrina Dent (II)

April 1, 2022

What is the relevance of "community" at all? Why is it important to apply a critical racial lens in conversation around faith, stigma and our future? How do these dynamics show up when we're not looking? 

On this episode we study the effect(s) of coercion, exclusion and "othering" through subtle acts of religious supremacy in public policy and government. We first look into rhetoric of government officials desperate to preserve cultural notions of straight, White minority and Christian rule in specific arguments contesting "unenumerated rights". Then we conclude  with the voice of Religious Freedom advocate, ally to the Nonbeliever community and Interfaith Advocate, Dr. Sabrina Dent.

Based here in the Washington, DC area, Dent first remarks to Legacy (2020) appear in the previous Episode 8. She has worked tirelessly to reduce stigma among religious minorities-speaking truth to power not only in the public sphere but also within intra-faith circles and organizations.  

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(Ep. 9) 

Show Notes

Host: Rogiérs 

Writing & Narration: Rogiérs 

Production & Editing: Fibby Music Group, LLC

Assistant Producer, Research: Drai Salmon

Opening performed by Rogiérs, Reginald & Alesandra Ndu

Recorded at: FMG Studios, Washington, DC

Cover Artwork: Emily Wilson

Music Licensing/Episode Musical Credits courtesy of: Fibby Music Recordings, Storyblocks

Resources & Mentions

Dr. Sabrina Dent, President of Center for Faith, Justice, and Reconciliation (Richmond, VA.) 

"In Class with Carr." The Karen Hunter Show, Ep. 107 Dr. Greg Carr. (@AfricanaCarr in #Knubia and Twitter) 

Mark Joseph Stern, Dahlia Litchwick. SCOTUS Legal Correspondents, Host/Co-Host, Slate Amicus Podcast 

Lindsay Graham presses Supreme Court nominee Judge Ketanji B. Jackson on Faith, (March 2022), USA Today  

Dr. Sikivu Hutchinson, “Godless Americana: Race and Religious Rebels"

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Find the entire LEGACY catalogue of programs online at the Black Nonbelievers YouTube Channel!

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Special thanks to the American Humanist Association and the DC Commission on the Arts & Humanities for their support.

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